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i am george knapp listening to that ufo

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podcast and having one hell of a good

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and two guests

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are joining me for this special preview

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show just very quick shout out to

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listener tim for the t-shirt that he

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bought me over a year ago and just

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wanted to say thank you for that one so

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uh yeah we do accept free gifts and dan

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will tell you as much but yeah joining

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me for this one is again dan as a guest

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this time dan welcome as a guest a

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little different i i wore a different

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top so i can differentiate between when

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i'm you know co-hosting as a guest

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absolutely and more importantly uh

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ashley kiwi joining me back on the

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podcast uh you'll remember ashley as the

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director creator executive producer

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editor and all things in between of

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phenomenology which is about to hit your

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on-demand service and we're going to

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talk about that obviously today so ash

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welcome back

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thanks for having me great to see you

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again dan

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good to see you too

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okay that's enough anyway folks

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so uh finally the days come it seems

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like it's been

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four months now as we record this since

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you you were in colombia roughly four

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and we recorded back in kind of january

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february time talking about you know

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potentially going and we

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done some crowdfunding dan managed to

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get the cash to get to columbia it was

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all quite last minute relatively as well

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it wasn't like he had a couple of years

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or a year to save up for it it was

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within weeks dan managed to get himself

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out to colombia so thank you to everyone

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who helped with that

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got to be part of something pretty

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special and that something

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is finally arriving so available from

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july 1st as you listen to this so july

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1st you might be listening to on the day

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on vimeo on demand which we'll come back

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to so you've got all the details and

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links will be in the description you can

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watch episode one of phenomenology

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titled dancing lights

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however it's going to be free for

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everyone that's really important to say

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off the bat that first episode is going

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to be free i've watched it i've seen a

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special preview

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i'll give my thoughts on that to the

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gents i've not told them yet and i've

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always said i'll be honest so i might

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slate it i might be overly praised

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worthy i might be somewhere in between

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who knows um but yeah that's what we're

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going to be talking about the cast it

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was of course ashley kibby vinnie adams

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you'll know vinnie from disclosure team

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our own dan was there walter payne who

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is a space analyst lydia romer an

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attorney and judge uh jeshuran

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rajashingam i hope i've got that right

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jesh who's an analyst at natalya rhea's

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festival artic is that right and natalia

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castellanos who is a field producer that

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is the cast and you will meet and see a

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whole host of others within those

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ash so uh this has been what at least

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six months much uh worth of work as long

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as i've known you but i'm sure the

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planning has gone into a lot longer than

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that as well

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it's um quite abstract hearing you

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describing this you're the first person

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that's really described what we've just

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made i'm hearing you talking about it

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anxious moment the day before you

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but there's a huge amount of

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watched it and i'm just sitting here

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impartial waiting to see what you've got

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to say about it because you know i can

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that but i would just love to hear what

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the parody thought about episode one

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um episode one is just under the half

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hour mark i believe if i got that right

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on my timings um we've got a total of

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seven episodes is that going to be

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correct ashley i believe it was one

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episode first one free then six

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i was going to email you last night when

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i sent you the link to the first episode

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i should have said to you to always

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remember that what you're watching is

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the first of seven episodes it's not a

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movie so there wasn't a start middle and

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i s it's a slow burn introducing people

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to not only the team but to the

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environment that we're going to be

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playing in for the next seven episodes

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is um it features the entirety of the

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cast but it's very much an

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interview-based show so we can set the

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foundations for what's to come

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yeah so first thoughts and it was my

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first notes i'm not going to spoil

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what's in the episodes folks again like

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any documentary any movie we review we

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always encourage you to go and watch it

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yourself and make up your own mind

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there's no excuse not to especially for

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the first one when it's free and dan's

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in it as well so there's always that uh

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so i've got it looks very professional

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um the camera work looks very

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professional the backdrop is beautiful

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and the music is very subtle now i

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usually within the first minute of

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watching anything and especially ufo

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documentaries i can tell how they're

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going to go or at least if i'm going to

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point i don't think i'm going to slate

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this documentary because there's a lot

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of things that aren't there that i

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that i don't like and i was happy about

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that and i've joked in the past and dan

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that there are things i've watched that

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talked about this actually the last time

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that the some of the documentaries that

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came out last year with that constant

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soundtrack all the way through it but no

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subtle music nice camera work we've got

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a team of humans team of professionals

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along those lines we do get straight

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into things and who who are these people

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and i had to take off my i know some of

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these folks hat or i remember dan

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talking to me while he was there and i

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know ashley if i'm just watching this

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deliberate or is that something that

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miss the bit that you said at the start

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regarding especially the music and with

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the documentary it's audio visual

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arguably it's 50 50. the both components

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every time somebody said something that

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is inherently dramatic where most

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documentary makers would put in those

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thumping big boom drums and cut it so

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the person says it four times but we had

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the composer john theodore and toby

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mason the the post audio guy do was pull

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that someone's made so i'm delighted you

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picked up on that

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there is no there is a bit of adventure

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however we'll move forward on to your

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said i can't even remember the damn

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question but so getting to know the cast

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so tell us about that yeah so

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um it's funny that you would find that

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unusual when if you walked into a bar of

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12 strangers and you didn't know

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anything about them you'd be quite fine

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where i have tons of footage that vinnie

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here and and all the rest of it

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this film or this series of films is

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also designed for the colombian audience

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who tells lots and lots of stories

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the researchers who feature not a

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what you're going to find which is a

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that this the opening of episode two

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it's all about us it's and it's the team

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how they felt meeting each other for the

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first time so as i say i'm going to

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slowly build up the characters and them

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interacting with each other and

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the option was do i make this all about

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the people or do i make it all about the

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phenomenon and colombia and i chose the

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phenomenon in colombia knowing that was

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seven more episodes

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to to work into the people so yeah

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those observations you've made will

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dan i'm aware you're just sitting there

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part of that first episode talking about

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witnesses different testimony and he

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talks about the reports and experiences

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something that this reminded me of and

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again asked to slowly go into what i

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thought about it i was i was trying to

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think what type of documentary is this

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going to be we've had the observers from

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last year which i wasn't too positive on

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we've had a tear in the sky which i

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wasn't too positive on dan was i but

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there were bits and pieces i liked we

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then had the aerial school documentary

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which i was far more positive on i get

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the feeling just from watching that 30

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minutes it's more of an aerial

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phenomenon documentary which obviously

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was very well received and something

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that came to mind is something you said

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to us back in those those early

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interviews so again folks if you're

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looking for the build up in the

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background in the context you can go

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back and check those out i'll put them

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in the description

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was you talked about wanting this

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documentary to be as much about ufos as

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about the people that were involved in

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bringing that team together and the

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people together and i felt there was

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going to be a lot of that within it as

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well

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it's it's

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fully populated by people and and the

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whole story comes from people it's all

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you'll find that i represent maybe one

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minute of voice over in the full first

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episode and it's because there's so much

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coming from the people in scene but the

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reason for that is this

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it's called phenomenology not just

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because ufos the ufo community is using

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that word and it's catchy this was

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decided two years ago almost this name

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phenomenology when it was created as a

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movement by german philosophers in the

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19th century

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was not the study of cartesian objects

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it was the study of the structures of

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consciousness and how people perceive

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unknown phenomenon

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i want you to watch that episode again

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when we go away and i want you to listen

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to the last

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one minute where the five team

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all talk about their different views on

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different things everybody throughout

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this show you will see them as a team

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but each and every one of them in the

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sit-down interviews will be saying

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completely contrasting things on the

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same things that we investigate and

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that's where the phenomenology rises

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from it it's it's an adventure into

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how the creative imagine and tur the

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imagination interprets what it sees in

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the sky

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and trying to figure out what it is that

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people are seeing in the sky two

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approaches

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just to add there as well um i really

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like i remember when we were out there

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we were talking about uh phenomenology

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and the term or what it means and we

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were talking about people's experiences

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of say the color red and he can see it

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and interpret danger i can see it and

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interpret romance that's kind of what we

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mean by phenomenology

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exactly i was going to ask dan you to

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come in there anyway to answer ash's

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question because he did ask me what we

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thought about it so over to you sure um

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i i won't lie i was super nervous to

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watch it um you know i flew out to the

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other side of the world you were i gave

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the gentleman

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you know i gave ash kind of carte

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blanche to you know cut me up any way

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that he wanted he he could have

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put together tracks that maybe say

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things that i would never say but

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luckily ash didn't do that and i

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actually came away very proud um there

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were a couple of really interesting

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synchronicities uh you might have

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noticed the maps in the episode look

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fantastic and actually ash asked me do

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you know a map guy and literally the day

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before someone had messaged me that it

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did maps um so it all kind of came

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together randomly and it looks beautiful

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and had to quickly interject dominic

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burgess who's got in touch with us shout

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out to dom

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that guy is like

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he's he he's like a digital cartographer

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he sees in longitudinal action and makes

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things beautiful that are otherwise

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mundane

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shout out to dom

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it's so good for context as well to kind

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of get the lay of the land before we

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dive into the story but what i said to

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andy and davini after watching it is

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that i came away thinking wow this

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doesn't feel like a ufo documentary this

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feels like i'm watching david

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attenborough tackle the phenomenon and i

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was really proud of that and when the

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credits rolled i you know if i'd have

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had episode two they're waiting i would

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have dived straight in

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but let let me mention okay so first off

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on the maps yes that was another thing

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i've got down on the production side of

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things

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it wouldn't look out of place on on the

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history channel alongside a skinwalker

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ranch in terms of production i think if

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you ran that afterwards or before it i

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think you would look at it and go yep

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fair enough i don't think

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you would realize it was a smaller crew

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with you know iphones and drones and

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that kind of stuff okay so in terms of

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the production that's great let me ask

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though dan

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on the flip side of what you've said

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there and ask that this is for yourself

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first

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people are going to look for to this as

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being a ufo documentary first and

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foremost who listen to this podcast

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unless they're really into their nature

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documentaries as well

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yes there's some lovely back lovely

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backdrops and you've got a human element

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to it you've got people who are going to

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watch for dinner for dinner god there's

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a new nickname for vinnie for dan

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and uh i'm sure walter and co have got

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people who want to watch for them as

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well but essentially you're pitching

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what is a ufo documentary to folks

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in this first episode there are some

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images interspliced with within the

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within robert's testimony and what he's

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talking about and as others speak

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however

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people expecting to see

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loads of videos loads are like kind of

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flashing images popping up of really

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intense pictures that's not there it

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tends to be pictures of

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a light at a distance and if i showed

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someone that picture without any context

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not being part of a documentary they

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would say that as a light on a hill

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i get however what you're doing around

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that is build context

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if anyone watches that because i know

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for a fact there's going to be people

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who would be me included who wouldn't

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have any background i would see that and

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go uh there's no ufos in this

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what would you say to those people who

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maybe watch the first one and think i

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don't know how much more of it i do want

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to see

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okay great the first thing i would say

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is

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put beside mine the

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any tv show or any film that's actually

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showed a ufo let's be clear here

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not one single photograph or video

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exists of an identifiable object in the

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sky today otherwise we would not have a

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community

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doesn't exist what i'm not going to try

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and do is pretend that i have that what

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i have as you're going to see are scores

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and scores of people who have all

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reported what you just said lights on a

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mountain for 400 years

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of course mick west is gonna before the

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episodes finish there will be a

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screenshot on twitter saying these are

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torches on the mountains

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what we've published in that film are

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the images that people are taking and

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the accounts that people have made for

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400 years

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so if you're expecting to come on and

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see

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in the first episode

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an image of a fl of our hubcap designed

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by saucer it ain't happening

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it's not about that but we do

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present

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and let me get this right so it's

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absolutely as safe as i said to the guys

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it would be

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we promise to present by the end of this

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season or series of seven films

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anomalous

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lights

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that will set on fire the ufo community

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both skeptical and believers that is a

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promise but

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not an episode one am i going to start

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putting in cheap videos from other

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people that are quite clearly mylar

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balloons

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just like everywhere else in the world

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where this ufo's reported there are a

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lot of misinterpretations a lot of pilot

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misinterpretations

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from the highest level in order here in

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colombia just like the chilean ufo event

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the highest levels of authority approved

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a ufo and it was out in the the

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community space for less than four days

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and it was solved i'm not starting to

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use all the old videos that exist here

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the newspaper cuttings of things that

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nobody knows

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we've got a team of humans exploring the

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valley of the gods in which a 400 year

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old life phenomenon exists

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before we get to the end of episode

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three the guys are going up a hill i

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mean i just wish i could tell you what

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we're investigating we do present videos

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we do present things like that

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but it just ain't happening in season

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one episode one and i also don't want to

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make the show

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succeed or fail

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on my

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pre-publishing claims of

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it's going to be groundbreaking stuff

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and all this hype that just is but the

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hype in the ufo community is essentially

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a six inch nail in one's own coffin

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you don't get away from it with hype and

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i've been trying to be so so restricted

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and reserved in regards to what we're

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going to show and that's why i'm leaning

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on the people

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the culture the story the country the

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you call it a sort of david attenborough

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well it kind of i hope it is because

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i've got seven episodes to try and tell

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a story and what what i do want the

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audience to come away with more than a

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picture of a silver object in the sky

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that's a bit blurry

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is a really good understanding of where

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we are this thing you the the analogy

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you said like it's like a history show

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uh

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skin walker ranch episode is deliberate

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because

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you know if i say to you skim walk a

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wrench and then say close your eyes and

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picture the messer you can do it in a

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heartbeat from the back in the front

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door of the wrench why because the

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graphical information and the drum work

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and they're setting off the scene is so

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well i want to do that too so

555
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:18,880
you watched episode one which shows some

556
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:22,559
photographs of lights on hills which can

557
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:24,400
be argued about but you know you know

558
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:25,760
there's not much talking about those

559
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,360
lights yet we we don't do that to

560
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:29,600
actually get to the tops of those

561
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,000
mountains and we do we get to them and

562
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:34,799
we explore them and we we we do some

563
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,760
phenomenology so i think i probably

564
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,840
spoken long enough about whatever the

565
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:41,760
original question was

566
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,600
and listen in all fairness that that is

567
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,679
what worked for the aerial phenomenon

568
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,520
documentary because that didn't show you

569
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,919
any new footage it was largely archival

570
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,480
footage mixed in with the the human

571
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,160
story from emily trum and some of the

572
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,080
other witnesses as they've grown up and

573
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,000
it was just a lot of older material

574
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,000
presented in a very clear concise and

575
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,039
new way again we saw the drawings from

576
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,120
the children we heard the testimony and

577
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,960
largely it was that the testimony and

578
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,120
the human element that that drove that

579
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,600
success on when other documentaries

580
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,280
since the phenomenon have shown a lot

581
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:15,440
more footage a lot more pictures like

582
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,960
you say and to what end because no

583
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,600
documentary and no tv show and i include

584
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,679
skinwalker ranch in that is going to be

585
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,360
the one that gives us that bang

586
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,120
disclosure because that's not going to

587
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,360
happen after three months of recording

588
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:31,520
sitting in a an editing room floor and

589
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,559
then you know you're going to see it

590
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,799
this tuesday between 7 and 8 p.m eastern

591
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,720
that's not going to happen so

592
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,080
yeah i think that there's no reason to

593
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,919
say that success now has to be done

594
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,679
because documentaries like aerial

595
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,919
phenomenon i've shown the success can be

596
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,120
there and the format and the

597
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,960
storytelling and the narrative

598
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,960
yeah i i just want to emphasize as well

599
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,720
that we're not comparing to skinwalker

600
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,240
in a way that it treats the audience as

601
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,000
dumb well what i liked is that ash

602
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,840
respects the audience we don't get these

603
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,679
repeats of the same points over and over

604
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,280
again there are no ad breaks you know

605
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,960
you're not going to be reintroduced to

606
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:03,520
things 10 times in the episode um what

607
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,919
you're going to see is a team of people

608
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,640
with different ideas about what that

609
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:10,080
light or what those lights on the hill

610
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,960
is

611
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,840
doing a live investigation in a live

612
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,200
laboratory

613
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,880
when we were out there i said to ash it

614
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,640
kind of felt like a ufo theme park like

615
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,080
a you know if jurassic park was built

616
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,400
with ufos instead because everyone had a

617
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,960
story and there were so many different

618
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:26,960
kind of interpretations of those and we

619
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:28,480
all had to try and come together to

620
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,360
actually

621
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,679
kind of get to a result and something

622
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,880
you know i wanted to come back and be

623
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,320
able to say we've actually progressed

624
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,799
this investigation and i absolutely feel

625
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,440
that by the end of it we do

626
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,679
yeah and also andy you know it's

627
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,440
actually quite a stiff question to

628
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,880
answer because

629
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,320
you know i could put it back in you and

630
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,799
say the only person that's saying this

631
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,880
is a ufo film is yourself well obviously

632
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,960
i'm on a ufo channel you're a ufo guy

633
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,400
we're all ufo people we are all

634
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,559
interested in what's in the sky

635
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,960
but it is called phenomenology and the

636
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,720
reason i'm doing this and i've come into

637
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,120
this world is because i saw that this

638
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,000
new term uap was a wonderful way for me

639
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,840
to come from making archaeology and

640
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,760
history shows into a world that's

641
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,000
usually been associated with you know

642
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,400
the sort of the fringe community now

643
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,559
it's a safe thing to look at and

644
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,200
phenomenology is much much bigger than

645
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,080
ufos because in the valley here there's

646
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,080
been these lights been associated with

647
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,720
the spirits of saints with mohan and

648
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:29,760
mohan indigenous gods and goddesses

649
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,559
this

650
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,679
the the

651
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,080
the breadth of phenomenology here is

652
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,000
what the film is trying to show because

653
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,520
i hope it's gonna appeal to people out

654
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,120
with the ufo community that we're going

655
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,679
to see this uep in colombia what might

656
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,799
this be

657
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,320
and what they're not seen as a bunch of

658
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,480
blurry photographs they're seeing sharp

659
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,760
photographs when they're shown

660
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,520
photographs and they're seeing

661
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,039
a bunch of

662
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,440
just normal down-to-earth folk

663
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,720
struggling

664
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,960
with what's been struggled about for 400

665
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,120
years so it shows the sort of what skin

666
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:01,039
walker does is show that the top of the

667
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,320
iceberg

668
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,559
in their half-hour episode or their hour

669
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,039
episode and lots and lots of reviewers

670
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,960
i'm sure you've heard it i've heard it

671
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,559
they're all annoyed that there's not

672
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,640
enough shown about what goes on there

673
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,240
they're not showing the science behind

674
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,400
what's shown we're doing the opposite

675
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,600
we're showing

676
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,039
what actually happens when a bunch of

677
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
folks get together i've got a picture of

678
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,320
walter cleaning his toenails which i'm

679
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,559
deciding to use or not in his bedroom

680
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,240
when this drone's charging we're going

681
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,600
to show that the

682
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,720
gritty

683
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,720
cinema verity stuff that happened in

684
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,240
front of me when those people were here

685
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,159
for a week it's more about

686
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:37,760
what happened when we went investigating

687
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,279
un unidentified phenomenon in colombia

688
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:43,679
so yeah it's much broader than ufos

689
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:46,880
however it absolutely revolves around

690
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
classic ufos unidentified flying objects

691
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,840
i must bring up that quote that appeared

692
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,679
in the first episode from hermann

693
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:55,440
represta who is the

694
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:59,679
ex-director of the bogota observatory

695
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:00,400
he

696
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,400
in colombia

697
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,120
you've got this really

698
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,440
a pretend a predisposition for people to

699
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,760
believe in ufos like an enormous i think

700
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,720
it's 64 of north americans believe

701
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,520
about over over 80 percent here do

702
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,279
so this story

703
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,440
is also being translated into spanish

704
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,440
and it's trying to tell a story to

705
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,159
colombians about the history of their

706
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,200
phenomenon from a gringo it's quite

707
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,039
dangerous quite sensitive i've had to do

708
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,039
that really respectfully and it is

709
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,679
therefore no accident that i used

710
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,960
roberto

711
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,880
willingly and openly and unashamedly in

712
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,559
the first episode to nail it into

713
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,799
colombian viewers receipts and also to

714
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,360
bring it into the rest of the world too

715
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,640
but um

716
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,080
ufos come andy ufos come

717
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,559
the nature ufo thing for me is an

718
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,240
interesting one because people are going

719
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,840
to take it in different ways

720
00:25:01,029 --> 00:25:00,240
and what i'm trying to say by that is

721
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:01,039
that

722
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,320
eventually ufos aren't going to be

723
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,240
called ufos they're going to have a name

724
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,919
and when that happens ufology is going

725
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,440
to die and i i don't mean that in a

726
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,960
derogatory way i just mean that it's

727
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,240
going to grow up it's going to start

728
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,000
going into the areas that it should have

729
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,440
always been

730
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,080
these things are a fact of nature they

731
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,600
just are so

732
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,440
treating it like a nature documentary i

733
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,200
feel like it's kind of a

734
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,760
maturing of the subject you've got it

735
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,279
and you're going to learn all about the

736
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,200
pre-columbian moisture culture here

737
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,960
we're not i mean my goodness they call

738
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,799
it skin walker ranch

739
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,159
we heard it in the first episode we're

740
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,559
not hearing so much of the indigenous

741
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,559
skinwalker that's actually in the title

742
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,080
of that show anymore

743
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,480
we do we go to

744
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,200
yeah i can tell you episode three has us

745
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,679
going to an indigenous community on a

746
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,440
hilltop and we

747
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,760
we don't only help them i'm not going to

748
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,760
tell you what we do but we we help them

749
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,679
we give a day of our time to the

750
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,520
community and then we interview the

751
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,320
leader of our indigenous community about

752
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,080
the traditions

753
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:02,799
and ufo sightings that they've had for

754
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,159
the last several thousand years so we

755
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:08,320
we don't just use we don't skirt over

756
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:09,120
this

757
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,600
story that the lights are threaded to

758
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,600
and rooted to and that's why i've

759
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,919
introduced the gods and the goddesses in

760
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,440
this first episode because they come

761
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:21,200
right back around and into this whole

762
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,159
thing

763
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,960
but then maturity in the ufo community

764
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,480
how about this

765
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,039
exists here because listen to this so in

766
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,679
the western world it's either a ufo or

767
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,799
it isn't

768
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,919
here as you're going to see in the

769
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,400
documentary is

770
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,640
two people in ten who make the sighting

771
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,640
of the same object

772
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,720
in 1979

773
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:45,200
and their argument is whether it's the

774
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,640
el encanto

775
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,480
or the mohana

776
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,480
they have specific categories for the

777
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:52,559
aerial phenomenon here for example the

778
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,720
mohana is a red bulbous ball of light

779
00:27:03,750 --> 00:26:58,159
whereas the

780
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,760
tac oblong golden light and people so

781
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,679
it's exceptionally categorized here and

782
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,720
has been for decades if not centuries so

783
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,400
that's a really good thing for me we get

784
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:13,600
to virtually in every episode pick a new

785
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,159
angle on this phenomenon and what it

786
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,320
might do i hope it does is it'll give

787
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,640
people lots of other lots of new

788
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,159
openings and ways to think about the

789
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,240
phenomenon in their own countries and

790
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,760
what they might be

791
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,320
what you'll love in this is walter he's

792
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,200
not skeptic yes he is isn't he what was

793
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,799
really skeptical

794
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,960
but we've got skeptics in the team and

795
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,240
we've got those that are prone to

796
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,919
believe and that's what i love most

797
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:40,240
about the editing i'm just

798
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,080
shocked sometimes that how we come away

799
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,840
from a location and i'll have a chat

800
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,840
with dan and he'll say this i'll have a

801
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,679
chat with walker and he'll say this and

802
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:49,039
they're so

803
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,240
opposing

804
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,799
but then you see them having a high five

805
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,720
and breakfast together the next day

806
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,799
laughing at their differences and eye to

807
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,720
eye challenging sometimes it gets a bit

808
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,480
tense because you're like hang on i know

809
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,919
he really believes that because he told

810
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,840
it to me in an interview and i know he

811
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,000
just shut all over it and and that goes

812
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,799
on too so we tried to tell that story of

813
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,279
what people experienced

814
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,760
while researching the unidentified

815
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,320
phenomenon of the valley of the gods let

816
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:18,480
me ask dan um there's a moment you and

817
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,440
vinnie in episode one and i'm aware i

818
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,039
know you've got an academic background

819
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,559
in this stan and ashley it goes without

820
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,399
saying you're experienced in tv shows

821
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,760
and making and everything else given

822
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,679
what you've just done on your history

823
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,840
but i i get that just because you see

824
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,360
something in the first episode doesn't

825
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,640
mean it was the first thing that was

826
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,840
filmed

827
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,600
there's a moment you and vinnie in the

828
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,200
first episode dan say that there's

829
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
clearly something here and i think

830
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,880
vinnie word for word in one of the the

831
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,720
clips talking head towards the end is

832
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,559
like yes yes yes i'm a believer i'm all

833
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,399
in and i think that's just vinnie

834
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,480
anyways very open to accept like you

835
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,880
know the the phenomenon or he really

836
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,720
wants it to be like a ufo or something

837
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,000
like that when you see something which

838
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,640
many of us do but what what gave you

839
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,360
that impression dan so early on and when

840
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,279
it was filmed

841
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,039
that there was something there was it

842
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,120
the meeting with robert is that just the

843
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,960
way it's edited or did you have that

844
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,760
feeling from the start regardless well

845
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,440
the meeting with robert actually came

846
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,919
quite late in in our visit out there um

847
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:17,520
so it's just the way that ash has chosen

848
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,200
to tell the story um yeah the in terms

849
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,880
of how long it took me to realize there

850
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,039
was something out there driving through

851
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,440
just the local town uh tabio blew my

852
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,640
mind

853
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,440
over here if you had say ufo graffiti on

854
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,600
the wall it would be this overly

855
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,720
dramatic

856
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,279
stuff um you know little green men that

857
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,840
kind of stuff whereas the town was

858
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,000
plastered in this beautiful graffiti and

859
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,320
you need only take 10 seconds to have a

860
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,840
look and you would see all these subtle

861
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,799
references to uap and uh you know the

862
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,520
the holy dove or you know mary magdalene

863
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,760
kind of coming down and yeah as we were

864
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,080
walking past one of the gates

865
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,440
we stopped to a gentleman had a he'd

866
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,600
written his story out and pour it on the

867
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,039
front of his gate and we were having it

868
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,760
translated and the guy actually came out

869
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,760
and spoke to us about what he saw and

870
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,200
that kept happening over and over and

871
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,520
over again so it was very clear that

872
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,559
people were seeing something

873
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,240
i've got to answer a technique i'm going

874
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,480
to give you a technical sort of addition

875
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,480
to what dan said there the absolute

876
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,279
truth is there's nothing to hide here is

877
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,480
i spent

878
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,360
eight weeks editing an episode one and

879
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,600
in which on the first day

880
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,240
i stood up in this room that we had and

881
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,240
i told them the stories of the valley i

882
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,000
told them about the goddess chi i told

883
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,559
them about the captain seeing the oblong

884
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,559
going around their farm i told we did

885
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,919
all this for me

886
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:43,919
and now this is what happened i watched

887
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,720
caroline corey's interview on um one of

888
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:49,440
the american podcasts

889
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,120
and i realized that having me in the as

890
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,120
like speaking for 20 minutes in the

891
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:56,559
first episode

892
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:00,320
was a big big mistake although

893
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,480
i only had one option otherwise and that

894
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,000
was to go and use the interview with

895
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,240
roberto that we did you know five or six

896
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,760
days into the trip

897
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,799
so i used that at the beginning because

898
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,039
i would much rather have the stories of

899
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,200
the valley and the basics coming from a

900
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,559
colombian

901
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,039
rather than me because all that

902
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,720
review all we would be talking about

903
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,840
just now is

904
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,600
you would be finding it hard not to say

905
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,600
well ash you know you featured quite

906
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,760
heavily in episode one didn't you

907
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,480
so rather than that i put roberto in and

908
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,240
told myself right out of it and it was

909
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:34,000
after carly corey interview when i just

910
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,039
heard

911
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:37,760
how much and that filmmaker had

912
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,720
pushed herself into the actual thing

913
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:42,320
and i can't have it be about the

914
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,840
director it's a far bigger bigger story

915
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,679
than what i'm what any part i've got to

916
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,600
do with it so that was really what

917
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,919
happened but here's another example so

918
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,240
at the beginning of that day oh no it's

919
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,480
actually episode two you know we go up

920
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,240
why can't we get a drone in there we do

921
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,080
the foothills of the two places the two

922
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,919
main mountains and

923
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,200
like do you remember this dan we were

924
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,960
coming down the hill and the policemen

925
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,399
said to me

926
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,240
what is it you're actually all doing

927
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,320
with your drones and cameras and i said

928
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,720
well we're trying to film the mysterious

929
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,200
lights off la pena do i get and he

930
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,799
laughed at me and i was like what's

931
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,320
going on here he laughed and he said

932
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,600
it's not lights it's ufos he said the

933
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,279
lights are blue and red and ground the

934
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,200
mountain but the ufos are white and they

935
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,360
zip into space

936
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200
i'm like oh well i am so sorry you know

937
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,600
so we're filming the ufos that's how

938
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,760
engrained it is so

939
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:35,840
day five down in vineyard in the back of

940
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,039
a van but what i did there was i used

941
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,919
that clip in the first place however

942
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,919
while i'm sort of doing that to tell the

943
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,399
story best what you'll notice has never

944
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,360
been done is there's never

945
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,960
there's never you don't hear anybody's

946
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,279
voice being chopped or things them you

947
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,960
know things being juggled around like

948
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,440
that what we've done is we pulled an

949
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,120
interview in that we did later in the

950
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,200
trip into the first so it's really

951
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,720
interesting that you picked up on that

952
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,960
why would dan and vinnie be so

953
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,559
heartfully convinced there's something

954
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,640
going on i suppose the answer to that is

955
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,919
because they've just met roberto and

956
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,440
heard about 20 different types of

957
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,559
phenomenon

958
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,640
you know i suppose that's the takeaway

959
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,559
just to mention ash i absolutely would

960
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,679
have pulled you up if you had put

961
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,440
yourself in at 20 minutes of that first

962
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,679
episode for doing that and divulging

963
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,399
yourself um

964
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,000
maybe hate this but i thought i'm going

965
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,000
to do this because it's the on it's the

966
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,760
truth

967
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,159
once the season's out i'm going to

968
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,480
publish extra videos and cut some behind

969
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,840
the scenes stuff and i thought i would

970
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,120
publish the alternative episode one that

971
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,799
wasn't published and see on it and

972
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,559
here's the reason why but

973
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,159
listen to my take on the stories because

974
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,399
i tell the stories lovely it's just the

975
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,960
fact that it is me and my voice and it's

976
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,720
all gringo in the first episode of a

977
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,120
colombian documentary i thought how much

978
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,159
more tasteful to pop in a 70 year old

979
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,559
phenomenologist who's has he's on all

980
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,559
the news and the tv stations it's going

981
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,039
to help people here relate to the show

982
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,799
so that was the decision it was me out

983
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,840
from

984
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:08,159
you you keep saying gringo as well i i

985
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,599
just want to pour out there that a

986
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:11,599
shaman blessed me as ringo by the time i

987
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,440
left colombia so so i shifted

988
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,480
ringo starr brilliant

989
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,760
it wasn't even the best drummer in the

990
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,399
beatles remember that folks um listen

991
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,800
dad something that i uh enjoyed in the

992
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,800
first episode including that quick pace

993
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,159
there's another thing i did enjoy about

994
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,919
it the half hour goes by very quickly

995
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,359
folks um

996
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,320
was when we see walter with the drone

997
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,639
and he's clearly enjoys his technology

998
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,960
he had uh it's a quite a quick shot but

999
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,879
you're all around the iphone attached to

1000
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:41,839
the drone i'm going to say it's an

1001
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,960
iphone other phones are available um and

1002
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,399
that's something a lot of people are

1003
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,320
crying out for within documentaries one

1004
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,000
thing that was done well in a tear in

1005
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,960
the sky was the the science aspect of it

1006
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,800
and the actual investigations that the

1007
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,760
uapx tried to do and that's what was

1008
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,520
successful not the other stuff that

1009
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:01,440
people didn't like so to see that

1010
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,200
there's going to be some technology

1011
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,119
again used within this and i'll put this

1012
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,520
to dan first what other tech can we

1013
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,839
expect to see or how is that technology

1014
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,599
going to be used throughout

1015
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:14,000
so that technology was i mean i'll talk

1016
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,760
about the drone specifically because we

1017
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,760
actually used the drone in one instance

1018
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,320
to and there might be some debate about

1019
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,160
this with witnesses but i feel like we

1020
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,480
solved the case uh but it's a real good

1021
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,200
example of us basically going you know

1022
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,599
what the the science here you know we've

1023
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,040
sat down we've worked out all the angles

1024
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,480
of where you said you saw this thing and

1025
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,000
so on so forth and we're using the drone

1026
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,440
to kind of fly in the direction you said

1027
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,560
it was

1028
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,599
and

1029
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,680
i i feel like we like i said we we

1030
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,760
figured it out despite that the

1031
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,440
witnesses not necessarily agreeing and

1032
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,880
having their own preconceived notions

1033
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,320
about it so

1034
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,320
it it it could get a little

1035
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,160
uncomfortable in feeding back to people

1036
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,640
but like ash said we're there to tell

1037
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,560
the truth not to kind of pull walls over

1038
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,400
someone's eyes it's easy to you know do

1039
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,960
a cg ufo and have it fly through the

1040
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,240
valley but that's just not what we're

1041
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,640
doing no in in terms of other technology

1042
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,760
there was there was actually a cool bit

1043
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,320
in episode one where we were using a

1044
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,520
lidar on the iphone to create a 3d model

1045
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,880
of a

1046
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:12,720
ash you might want to explain this of

1047
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,550
that's right that walter found on a dick

1048
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,800
did you want to explain that sure chia

1049
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,640
the goddess of the moon

1050
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,040
is known as the mohanna and the mohana

1051
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,040
are red lights so the chia the moon

1052
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:28,960
goddess is intricately

1053
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:31,040
connected with the entire story of the

1054
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,720
phenomenon in the valley

1055
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,280
walter who you saw in episode one he was

1056
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,240
down here four years ago and i took him

1057
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,560
to an area very close to that church

1058
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,560
because i suspected there was an

1059
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,200
indigenous temple of the moon there

1060
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:48,160
sure as fate walter discovered this 32

1061
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,200
gram

1062
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:52,240
tombaga gold figurine of chia herself

1063
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,280
which

1064
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,040
i couldn't tell i couldn't go to the

1065
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,720
lengths of it in the first episode but

1066
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,440
it's the only physical representation of

1067
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,440
that goddess that exists

1068
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,880
every other representation of the

1069
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:05,839
goddesses stars with 13 representing the

1070
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,280
lunar month so the what what we did was

1071
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,760
we yes so walter creates his figurine

1072
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,359
that was just a sort of cutaway clip but

1073
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,720
then he does this

1074
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,040
orthostatic mapping of the church now

1075
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,440
you'll see by the end of episode seven

1076
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,520
one of the things our team achieved

1077
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:23,839
while they don't know it yet is

1078
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:27,280
we mapped drone mapped all of the sites

1079
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,359
associated with

1080
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,520
the light phenomenon

1081
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,599
so we we've now at the end are going to

1082
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,599
present this in

1083
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,760
project whiter the greater project about

1084
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,680
the phenomenon here

1085
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:41,839
you know mapping from the valley with

1086
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,640
high resolution drones so if people do

1087
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,400
get sightings we can

1088
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,720
start actually locating them on a map

1089
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,280
and building up a valley wide map of

1090
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,359
what people see and where

1091
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,960
because

1092
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,280
what i'm convinced of is that some of

1093
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,839
these phenomena are climatological

1094
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,839
absolutely convinced like in the stalin

1095
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,200
valley

1096
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,440
but it's only by monitoring these

1097
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,599
sightings over the course of the years

1098
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
and marking the dates and the times and

1099
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,760
the temperatures and then marrying it

1100
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,280
with mapping information that we can

1101
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,599
start to get a full picture so well i

1102
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,880
never thought about it in the first

1103
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:20,079
episode we do we use a 3d scanning app

1104
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,280
we use

1105
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,160
a drone that's mapping the the church

1106
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,560
that's associated with the uap

1107
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
and then as we get further into the

1108
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,200
the episode the drones used again as

1109
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,200
dances we get we get presented with an

1110
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,040
exceptionally

1111
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,400
alluring

1112
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,359
high definition sharp film of a light

1113
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,520
phenomenon don't we down in episode

1114
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,200
four and we go investigate it we

1115
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,480
interview

1116
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,160
six or seven people that were all eye

1117
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:49,040
witnesses to this occurrence and

1118
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,160
it was by

1119
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,720
map again mapping exactly where the

1120
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,960
eyewitnesses claimed they saw it that we

1121
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:56,720
were able to

1122
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,160
go to an exact spot in rural columbia

1123
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:02,160
and let's just say we were able to stand

1124
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,280
said

1125
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,839
we're just it was just the biggest

1126
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,440
nailed it moment

1127
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,520
that's what it was a real

1128
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,200
the boys that are out here looking for

1129
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,359
the funny things in the skies just put

1130
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:15,040
our entire family and group our

1131
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,320
eyewitnesses

1132
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,400
at ease because we nailed what they

1133
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,400
filmed and what it potentially is

1134
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,640
however there's an ongoing debate about

1135
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,560
our conclusion on that

1136
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,079
so it's what's refreshing is we've got

1137
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,000
lots of things that we investigate and

1138
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,320
provide answers to that

1139
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,400
they aren't just as dances in one of the

1140
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:34,320
clips so it's not just easy option it's

1141
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,280
et

1142
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,839
there's lots and lots more going on here

1143
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,839
that gets thought about and

1144
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,800
and um we were able to to to

1145
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,880
really distill down a lot of classic

1146
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,920
cases

1147
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,680
and and um

1148
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,920
as i said most importantly i have not

1149
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,320
hyped what i'm allowed to say is that

1150
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,200
the epis the series is not shy

1151
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:57,760
of goodies for the ufo community is it

1152
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,880
down then so it's done no not at all um

1153
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,160
some people listening to the podcast

1154
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,920
will know i have a kind of liking for

1155
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,079
the electromagnetic ideas and we do

1156
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,119
apply those kind of maps that that

1157
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,839
places like nasa have taken uh to some

1158
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,680
of these sightings and come up with some

1159
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,119
really interesting ideas around it as

1160
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,560
well which i thought was pretty cool you

1161
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,079
know you go back 20 years and you can't

1162
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,839
download an electromagnetic map that's

1163
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,440
current and apply it to your

1164
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,560
investigation whereas we could

1165
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,960
yeah it's like for 400 years this is one

1166
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,800
of the most magnetically charged valleys

1167
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,079
in colombia

1168
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,400
it's incredible the natural light

1169
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,319
phenomena that goes on here

1170
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,160
and

1171
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,079
one of the the great things just in the

1172
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,560
back of a van dan was chatting about

1173
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,359
overlaying a magnetic map in the valley

1174
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,119
and he was able to discern with walter

1175
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:47,599
that one mountain has a positive is in a

1176
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,480
positively charged area and the other is

1177
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,560
in a negatively charged area and you

1178
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,119
know what's really good with that is

1179
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,560
they downloaded

1180
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
an application put it over google maps

1181
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,480
and worked all this out but you know

1182
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,400
andy for 60 years people in the ufo

1183
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,480
community have a tendency to say to use

1184
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,760
sloppy words like energy oh there was an

1185
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,040
energy or

1186
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,960
things like that but what we did was we

1187
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,640
were able to say no hang on there is

1188
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,720
actually a magnetic

1189
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,800
disposition in the valley here that

1190
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,960
could act like two anodes on a battery

1191
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,800
and there could be some form of light

1192
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,839
charge

1193
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,880
between

1194
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,880
so so that's an interesting that comes

1195
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,640
in about episode four or five when we

1196
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,240
when we get deeper into it when we

1197
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:30,319
actually go to the sites

1198
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,520
whatever

1199
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,520
it's gonna read out as an adventure it's

1200
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,680
the more the more it unfolds the more

1201
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,760
adventurous it becomes and it's not

1202
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,440
falsely adventurous and again there's no

1203
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:42,319
indiana jones music it's really trippy

1204
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,200
you know

1205
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,119
it's that guy john theodore is doing

1206
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:47,280
this beautiful piano and stuff instead

1207
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,000
of

1208
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,920
doom

1209
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,000
it's none of that it's really thought

1210
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,760
provoking i want people to be able to

1211
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,319
watch on a sunday and not be offended i

1212
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,079
wanted to be welcoming people's

1213
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,160
homes and not be just this

1214
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,480
erratic bombastic

1215
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,599
knock about sloppy general thing that's

1216
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,079
associated with ufo films you know what

1217
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,079
it's like there's a lot of disrespect

1218
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,680
going on just now to the ufo community

1219
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,800
by ufo producers that's a fact

1220
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,800
what i want to do is in a month or so

1221
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,480
once it's been out and it's had time to

1222
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,000
breathe is get you back on and talk

1223
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,520
about it more openly once people have

1224
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:23,520
seen the episodes and the contents out

1225
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,040
there we can dissect it a little bit

1226
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,599
more granularly granularity that's the

1227
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,960
one

1228
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,720
which would be good yeah very difficult

1229
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,800
for me to say um what i want to know

1230
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,160
though is and what the listeners will

1231
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,359
obviously want to know they can watch

1232
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,359
the first episode for free and you've

1233
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,839
decided for vimeo on demand and this is

1234
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,359
something that's come up more and more

1235
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,680
as people get to know the the process

1236
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,599
that directors like james fox has to go

1237
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,960
through just to get something out there

1238
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,760
it's not as easy as oh get it on netflix

1239
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,119
and it's like well yeah that's that's

1240
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,319
that would be great but that's not

1241
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,319
really an option for everyone um we

1242
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,079
heard that from randall nickerson on the

1243
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,560
aerial phenomenon documentary how he had

1244
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,640
several different issues with suppliers

1245
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,640
and getting out there and his thought

1246
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,599
process

1247
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,240
what did you decide on in terms of price

1248
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,680
what are people going to have to pay for

1249
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,240
it and obviously they can't buy it is

1250
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,280
that correct that they have to rent it

1251
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,040
yeah um

1252
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,359
right first things first

1253
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,240
i'm almost 50 i've been doing making tv

1254
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,720
shows for other people and getting paid

1255
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,960
sometimes crumbs for a lot of work for a

1256
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,839
lot of years and this the reason vimeo

1257
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,599
is there is because i decided this isn't

1258
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,440
a network show i'm not going to waste my

1259
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,800
time for three years trying to sell it

1260
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,640
to some network executive netflix that

1261
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,640
gets sacked someone else comes in and i

1262
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,720
never get called again i thought now

1263
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,160
let's do this ourselves let's make this

1264
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,160
something that we can get down and

1265
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,760
vinnie and the guys out every year and

1266
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,200
film another season and make it

1267
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,800
sustainable

1268
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,800
and vimeo is a really good option to do

1269
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,319
that because it helps

1270
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,839
people like me who are trying to do all

1271
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,680
the jobs from filming it writing it to

1272
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,160
editing it if you do upload something

1273
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:58,319
you can make an edit make a change and

1274
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,599
re-upload it so you have quite a lot of

1275
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:01,680
creative control with vimeo

1276
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,200
um pricing wise my good lord dan what

1277
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,960
did we what was the what's the pricing

1278
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,200
what's it available for it's

1279
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,800
do you remember what i found an episode

1280
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,880
was that five or six hundred nips left

1281
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,880
home and you get the damn

1282
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,960
the bathroom shots i'll come cook for

1283
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:19,280
you and stuff as well

1284
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,040
i think it comes to i need to check this

1285
00:44:26,829 --> 00:44:24,960
but i i believe it's

1286
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,839
um

1287
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,440
19.99 for the seven episodes and if it

1288
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,280
isn't it's got to be an hour doesn't it

1289
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:32,960
yeah it does yeah

1290
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,440
so 19 but we are gonna also offer people

1291
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,040
can watch it that's what it totals to if

1292
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,560
you watch it episode by episode i think

1293
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,440
it's like 299 or 340 per episode but

1294
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,040
there's going to be a package there for

1295
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,520
people and it's going to be 16.99 they

1296
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,119
get the whole thing they can watch the

1297
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,200
whole episode and we might even have a

1298
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,040
membership thing there where you can buy

1299
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,960
it and join it for a year and then i'm

1300
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,880
gonna do some maybe live updates post

1301
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,400
some more footage behind the scenes

1302
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,280
stuff

1303
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,040
but you know

1304
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,720
um

1305
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,319
i know you always use that when i say

1306
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,640
it's less than a price of coffee and i

1307
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,800
get that i i get i live in colombia and

1308
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,640
you get coffee for like 15 pence so i

1309
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,560
need more than a cup of coffee

1310
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,839
but it's um

1311
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,560
it's no more expensive and no less

1312
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,240
expensive than everything else that's

1313
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,680
out there on the market it's just a lot

1314
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,000
more accessible and people can they rent

1315
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,520
the episodes and the reason i'm doing

1316
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,640
that is

1317
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,119
if you sell it and let people download

1318
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,280
it your options for doing things with in

1319
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,560
the future

1320
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,560
selling it making it bigger bringing in

1321
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,000
another production company they're all

1322
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,640
restricted if everybody's out there with

1323
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,960
a copy on their computer so it has to be

1324
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,599
rented for a time period but um as i say

1325
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,520
there people can people can

1326
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,200
maybe take this membership and they can

1327
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,680
watch it infinitely for a year and join

1328
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,520
the actual phenomenology thing so all

1329
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,680
that will be explained on vimeo tomorrow

1330
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,040
but you're not going to be spending over

1331
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,359
20 dollars to watch the season

1332
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,119
okay and one thing i know that's been

1333
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,119
very popular as a question for other

1334
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,200
documentary makers you mentioned the

1335
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,520
bonus footage and and if someone chooses

1336
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,760
to rent it or get that membership all

1337
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,280
that would come at

1338
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,880
the inclusive cost is that what you're

1339
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,400
thinking just now

1340
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,520
yeah i'm gonna we've got just got so so

1341
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,160
much stuff that we that's been mastered

1342
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,160
and there's music there and the voices

1343
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,520
have been balanced and it looks

1344
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,680
beautiful but it just can't make the

1345
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,000
final episodes but i'm not i'm not

1346
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,839
restricted by netflix who have this

1347
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,440
chance to put out seven episodes and

1348
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,640
that's it done

1349
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:28,880
that's not going in my this editing bin

1350
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,119
they talk about that's going public

1351
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,880
so i'm going to offer something which is

1352
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,920
going to be

1353
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,359
almost within the course of the year

1354
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,640
you're going to be getting as much

1355
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,599
content extras behind scenes

1356
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,119
interviews you know because i've

1357
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,040
interviewed dan and vinnie for hours and

1358
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,599
hours when we were out there up in rooms

1359
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,400
i always remember what you said andy um

1360
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,640
you had a problem with i believe it was

1361
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,480
p i had already done it by this but then

1362
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,359
you said you didn't like the fact on the

1363
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,280
tear in the sky documentary they were in

1364
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,960
california they're in the they're on the

1365
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:02,000
beach but they've got fake backgrounds

1366
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,280
and you said

1367
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,280
your words were about three months ago

1368
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why couldn't they just sat someone in

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00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,160
front of a window with a nice background

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00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,680
and just interviewed them and make about

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00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,839
the people so i did that for hours

1372
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,920
fortunately with our guys and

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00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:15,359
you know

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00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,160
who

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00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,440
has

1376
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,440
dan or vinnie

1377
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,680
being interviewed for an hour i've got

1378
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,559
that

1379
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,680
the ufo community hearing what those two

1380
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,599
guys and the other people on the show

1381
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:29,200
actually think

1382
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,480
when they're pressed and some of the

1383
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,240
stuff it's quite pressing you heard what

1384
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,000
i asked benny i'm asking him everything

1385
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,240
if he thinks he's deluded is it an

1386
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,640
illusion you really believe this you

1387
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,000
know i give the guys a bit of a pressing

1388
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,000
from time to time so it's good i want

1389
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,160
people to see that they can answer

1390
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,839
questions when getting knuckled down and

1391
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,520
it's not just it's very easy to

1392
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,599
interview people you're in full control

1393
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,200
but the guys put themselves out and

1394
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,440
vulnerable with me became brothers

1395
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,040
pretty quickly and i know the guys

1396
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,640
secrets and i've got them on film and i

1397
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,839
think

1398
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,440
that should all come out as well because

1399
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:01,119
it was part of our phenomenology

1400
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,400
experience

1401
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,240
so by tomorrow there's going to be a

1402
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,800
very clear thing on vimy which will be

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00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,760
here

1404
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,960
pay this

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00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,119
for a year you can watch the films as

1406
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,880
much as you want for a year and you get

1407
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,480
all the stuff extra and that's going to

1408
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,160
cost

1409
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:18,079
you know somewhere like five dollars

1410
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,920
more than it will be to watch the whole

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00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,680
thing so i'm trying to encourage people

1412
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,079
to do that to to come in and take you

1413
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,319
know to join the movement if you like

1414
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:29,280
because season two is coming quite soon

1415
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:30,079
well

1416
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,280
season two is probably a good one to

1417
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,440
talk about when we come back

1418
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,359
to talk about the full documentary we

1419
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,040
can discuss the details obviously of the

1420
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,839
first season um before i come back to

1421
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,160
wrap up with you ash dan a couple of

1422
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,319
words to sum up they can uh experience

1423
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,920
then without giving anything away for

1424
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,359
you now that you've kind of been back a

1425
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:49,119
few months as well

1426
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,549
humbling experience to go out and meet

1427
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,160
so many people who have encountered this

1428
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,599
phenomena and had different

1429
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:02,240
interpretations of it

1430
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,280
it really

1431
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,880
changed me i think and brought me into

1432
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,200
myself more um and i've had a lot of

1433
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,760
people say that since i've got back too

1434
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,800
so

1435
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,720
it was incredible a truly once in a

1436
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,720
lifetime experience and i can't wait for

1437
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,680
people to see what we got up to

1438
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,599
and ash i'll hand over to you a few

1439
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,440
words what can people expect tomorrow

1440
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,440
they're going to vimeo on demand or july

1441
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,079
1st vimeo on demand phenomenology they

1442
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,520
click the link in the description to

1443
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:28,559
their show

1444
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,680
and they're going to give over their

1445
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:30,880
cash what they're going to be getting in

1446
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,069
newfound respect from an ufo producer a

1447
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,839
guy making a film

1448
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,559
films that you can watch and not one

1449
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,520
minute

1450
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,760
are you going to be picking your skin or

1451
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,280
asking yourself

1452
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,280
how can they come to that conclusion how

1453
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,960
can they say that that's not based what

1454
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,720
we're doing is laying out telling a

1455
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,920
story they're going to get one of the

1456
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,240
best stories told in the youthful

1457
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,680
community because it's

1458
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,319
entirely in its entirety

1459
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,240
original if it's nothing else what

1460
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,559
you're going to get is an original story

1461
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:07,839
about

1462
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,200
aerial phenomenon unidentified for 400

1463
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,200
years that's not been told before

1464
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,280
so so that's what you're getting a brand

1465
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,720
new uap ufo story

1466
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,800
so that's from july 1st on vimeo on

1467
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,200
demand you can get phenomenology episode

1468
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:26,000
1 is free remember titled dancing lights

1469
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,359
and then pick up the rest of those

1470
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:29,839
episodes for the price ash said run

1471
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,599
about 16.99 or 19.99 sorry for the folks

1472
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,800
who don't have dollars you can work

1473
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,720
those out yourself but again you'll get

1474
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,319
all that extra content and stuff as well

1475
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,839
as and when it comes out and i'll get

1476
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,520
ash and dan back on and maybe some of

1477
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,599
the other cast in a month or so once

1478
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,880
it's had time to wreath once those

1479
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,640
episodes are out once more folk have

1480
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,480
seen it and we can discuss it ash i

1481
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,559
think you want to come back in

1482
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,920
yeah i just thought of something i'm

1483
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,200
sitting here because you're on the

1484
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,119
podcast and somebody asked me the most

1485
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,359
essential question which is how much is

1486
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,520
your documentary do you know something i

1487
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,520
just realized there

1488
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,839
i think that just about shows you

1489
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,400
everything in this film where i myself

1490
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,359
do not know what the cost is it is the

1491
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,880
last thing this is about and i'm not

1492
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:12,079
going to say we're doing it for nothing

1493
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,280
that's cool we've got a lot of money to

1494
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,559
try and make back

1495
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,280
but it's just so much broader than you

1496
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,720
know than

1497
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,160
the usual

1498
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,720
ufo film or show which has to be and is

1499
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,520
all about how much it makes this is a

1500
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,599
story for the story's sake you know that

1501
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,240
dan this was the most grassroots film

1502
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:32,079
that i've ever made that you've probably

1503
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,359
ever been involved and i know you've

1504
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,400
been involved in tv and stuff before but

1505
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,280
it's like just so real

1506
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,800
compared to the other ones that are out

1507
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,480
there for the dollars and as you said

1508
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,400
yourself which i'm amazed and delighted

1509
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,839
about is that

1510
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:47,839
you know that you're saying the quality

1511
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,079
maybe even comes close to something

1512
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,760
that's getting a million dollars an

1513
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,160
episode budget by history channel that

1514
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,760
is great so you've told people what

1515
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,760
you're getting which is a quality show

1516
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,359
and i'm telling them it's an absolutely

1517
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,119
new and original story it's like

1518
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,280
colombia's roswell you know it's

1519
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,720
something that's so ingrained here in

1520
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,839
the in in

1521
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,760
the the culture but

1522
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,200
nobody's heard about these dancing

1523
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,960
lights yet

1524
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,400
please check it out folks and let us all

1525
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,960
know what you think that is all for this

1526
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,640
week's show thank you very much for

1527
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,559
listening please remember to leave the

1528
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,359
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1529
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1530
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1532
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,160
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00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,520
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00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,240
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1538
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:46,160
folks as always keep looking up you

1539
00:53:09,349 --> 00:52:48,830
never know what you might see

1540
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:17,200
is

1541
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:23,030
[Music]

1542
00:53:49,150 --> 00:53:47,030
there was something on my head and

1543
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,160
everything was weird and everything was

1544
00:53:59,760 --> 00:53:51,440
ready they thought this was noise they

1545
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,549
[Music]

1546
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:08,640
if you really want to know who i think

1547
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:24,150
[Music]

1548
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:33,500
for being serious

1549
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:50,549
[Music]

1550
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:54,470
can't sleep

1551
00:55:07,480 --> 00:54:56,390
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1552
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:14,980
[Music]

1553
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:44,950
thank you